Follow 26437. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. 11 years ago. master. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. New Comics. A universe that is more powerful. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. Another thing about the. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. I’m goin wit Batman. 29. Wiki Points. Oh wait that would mean auto win to Marvel. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Bo88gdan. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. Win by death, KO, incap. 13 years ago. 3 years ago. Adding God Doom is just too much. 15. lazerbeak. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. PR Beyonder, even when defeated, knew exactly what was going on and even came back to humiliate Doom and show how irrelevant his plan was. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. The Crimson King. Destroying the metaverse, which is stated to be. PR Beyonder. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space,. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. So, yeah, no worries there. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. . . @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. . Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. Ite. @laflux said: MOM. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. PR Beyonder. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. Wiki Points. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. However Lucifer ig is the same. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. Since his feats and stuff have. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. 10 months ago. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. Could not. 05-03. I almost think they should be banned. Forums. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. green_skaar. They above everyone on the list Gold Experiance Requiem cant touch nigh beings or omni beings so its useless. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. Following Secret. 5. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. Gen. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. LocatiNew Comics. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. Wiki Points. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. Beyonder in a curbstomp. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. [deleted]Join Date. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. Beyonder 39%. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. They are not the same character. Followers. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. PR Beyonder stomps this team. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. 0. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. " I agree for the most part,the way I see this. FinalStar86. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Forum Posts. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. I almost think they should be banned. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. Gen. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. I don't know a. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. RULES:Morals off. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. . (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. 313. Neither is the fact that PR Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the entirety of the multiverse. 1. None of them have ever specifically resisted speed force speed stealing. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. , but, outside of those and omnipotent characters (like TOAA, The Creator), she beats pretty much anyone. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. -You may take DNA samples from 5 different Alien Races from any fictional media. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. 1. 2. Forum Posts. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. No chance of being omnipotent. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Hard to call in terms of power. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Forum Posts. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Bonus: Nothing that I know of. the only times I see pr beyonder being Blinked by accident is by those above the endless. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. Forums. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. The Beyonder's, on the other hand, aren't and that's what will give him the win. MM has the powers of the Beyonders, the Beyonders were still linear beings constrained and restricted by time, they were able to be killed by overwhelming power like Starbrand,. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. PR Beyonder is actually that powerful. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. His. 2. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. PR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. Follow 3313. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Beyonder easily. i wanna hear mr. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Oh, and Doom has a gun. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. She/Her. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. Lucifer WINS. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. Jul 30, 2018. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. @laflux said: MOM. #12 Edited By Montaq. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. doomsday49. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Forum Posts. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. Battle has been done so many damn times. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. Adm1ralSnackbar. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesIt could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Funny, didn. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. So just assume that this the PR version of the Beyond realm. Best Answer. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. This is hard to tell. 2 years ago. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Brainiac is a hive consciousness that. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. Followers. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. 6 years ago. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. Wiki Points. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. BEYONDERGOD. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . %Pr "this is not pre-con beyonder, it's cosmic cube being beyonder and a full power PF would be white crown who both these people can't beat 14 years ago. Living_Beyonder. 4 years ago. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. 0. @majestic99. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. 0. . 13 years. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Basically this. 3 years ago. 14 years ago Lance. He couldn't erase Death. He is another universe, pre-big bang. 0. R5: Dr. Minor nitpick. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Post-Retcon Beyonder, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man and Unbound Spectre. New Comics. Follow 10594. #1. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. 0. I don't know a. PR Beyonder face tanked an attack that could destroy a billion dimensions. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. PRB has a lot of. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Casually Oneshotting all of dc is beyond anything pr beyonder or any beyonders have ever done. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. The art work and what not is horrible. 313. ago. Forum Posts. Business, Economics, and Finance. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. This topic is locked from further discussion. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. Dr. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. Another statement made about. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . Doctor Doom can steal/absorb power from PR Beyonder, Galactus, Asgardians, Nightmare, Life Force (Reality warping from HoM) etc but couldn't defeat Onslught? That is inconsistent. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Further to that; Odin, Galactus and, especially Beyonder, are all. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. PR Beyonder by feats and by on-panel dialogue. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. @kingant27 said:. Forum Posts. Gen. The unfortunate thing is that Lucifer and Michael best most of the characters listed there,and only really get stalemated by like 2. unicron wins and heres why. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. -5. I don't think Living Tribunal was there, neither was oblivion. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Apr 2014. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). " 13 years ago Pr_BeyonderRandom encounter. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. This is a massive mismatch. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. Nihilist. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. Forum Posts. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. Based on physics, molecules, space and time. • 1 year ago. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Round 1: CAS vs.